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Conceptually understanding how to apply a turbo stream

#1

I’m currently playing with Turbo and Stimulus with a node backend, so I can try and understand at a conceptual level how it works.

One thing I haven’t figured out is how to manage a turbo stream. Let’s say I want to implement an infinite scroller list view. The initial load will be handled by the server, and it will include the first 10 records.

I want to perform an action to load the next 10, and append them to the list. For simplicity’s sake, let’s just say there is a “next 10” button at the bottom of the list, so that when I click on it, the client will make a request to a different url (say /items/page/2). The server can just return the <turbo-stream> snippet of html, with the next 10, and append them to the list.

I can do the above approach and it works as expected. However, if I were to visit that page directly, the server would only return that <turbo-stream>, and I do not see the whole page rendered.

So I presume the server needs to know when the client wants the turbo stream version of a page vs. the whole page. I see that there is a turbo-stream=* content type parameter, but that seems to always be present when using the Turbo.visit API, which seems to be the mechanism that handles navigating with the back/forward buttons, so that won’t work either.

I feel like I’m missing some high level pieces here. Some help would be highly appreciated!

#2

have you tried using a turbo-frame with lazy loading, responding as a turbo stream ?

#3

Wouldn’t that require an additional request for the 1st page load, for just the frame content? From what I read in the docs, it sounded like you could have the first page server response include the content, and only need to do subsequent server calls for subsequent pages?

#4

well, yeah, it would require an additional request, maybe you could render the partial directly in the first load

<div id='items'>
  <%= render @items %>
</div>
#5

That is what I am doing now. The problem is that the backend cannot determine what is a ‘first load’. If it’s a direct visit to the page, it’s not handled by Turbo, so the “turbo-stream” is not in the Accept HTTP header. But if I navigate with the back/forward browser buttons, when I return to the first load page, the “turbo-stream” is sent, so the backend doesn’t think it’s a first load.

#6

If I understood correctly, you should split your implementation into index and search endpoints, wheres the index page should work with either html or turbo_stream mime type, and the search returns the items. I think it makes more sense when it comes to components and partial, even though you have an additional request, current SPA have the same approach…
I implemented a search form this days, and it did not cross my mind that the secondary requests would be a problem

#7

Let me see if I understand right:

So the /index route on the server would always just render the whole page. Then something on the client would trigger the /search server route, which just returns the <turbo-stream> snippet?

Maybe what I’m missing is how to properly trigger calling out to that secondary route to get the next set of records.

#9

well, you just need to set the src attribute, turbo will execute the secondary request for you.
https://turbo.hotwire.dev/handbook/frames#cache-benefits-to-lazily-loading-frames

<turbo-frame id= 'posts' src ='/search'>
  loading
</turbo-frame>
#10

But that puts us back in the two-request-on-first-load scenario. Perhaps I am misreading the documentation and thinking that you could avoid a second request on the first page load. I’ll see if I can poke around the internals of the ruby integration to see what html is being generated to do this.

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